More stuff I just don’t get.

HPV is a sexually transmitted disease that both women and men get.

It can cause cervical cancer.

There is a vaccine for it.

The vaccine is only marketed to women.

Doesn’t that seem like only doing half the work? It’s an optional vaccine and apparently it’s expensive so not EVERY woman gets it, so wouldn’t marketing it to EVERYBODY reduce cervical cancer more than just marketing it to women? The link above says the main vaccine is not ‘safe’ for men, girls under 9 and pregnant women. If it’s safe for women how can it be unsafe for men? I’d really like to know that.

Is it that it’s actually not that safe for women?
Is it that it’s perfectly safe for men but why should they bother since they don’t get cervical cancer?


On this day:

In 2007 – I made a lot of glaring typos that I don’t feel like fixing right now.
In 2006 – holy flip!
In 2005 – me and brent

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38 Comments on “More stuff I just don’t get.”

  1. trinity3x says:

    I asked my ob/gyn about getting it before I passed the “too old” age mark they’d been associating with it. She told me that because I was in a long-term monogamous relationship I didn’t need the vaccine. I thought it was a bit weird.

  2. trinity3x says:

    I asked my ob/gyn about getting it before I passed the “too old” age mark they’d been associating with it. She told me that because I was in a long-term monogamous relationship I didn’t need the vaccine. I thought it was a bit weird.

  3. rachaeldoss says:

    Maybe it’s like propecia, which is not safe for women to even touch…I mean, perhaps they formulated the vaccine especially for women since – as I understand it – it is formulated to vaccinate against only the viruses that can cause cervical cancer, and not HPV in general.
    Although one would hope that they are working on vaccines for everyone.

    • tianadargent says:

      No it’s against certain forms of HPV not against cervical cancer. Some of those forms of HPV may lead to cervical cancer though.

      • rachaeldoss says:

        That’s what I meant – perhaps it is specially formulated for women, as we are the ones with cervixes that would be affected by the HPV strains. Just like women also suffer hairloss, but are not able to take propecia because it is not safe for us.

        • tianadargent says:

          I dunno, it just seems strange because it’s not vaccine for cervical cancer, it’s a vaccine for something both men and women get.
          I just always wonder what it is that makes something unsafe for one gender because there really aren’t that many biological differences.

          • rachaeldoss says:

            I know what you mean, but I’m sure that since it is the strains that cause Cervical cancer, and men don’t have cervixes, they were thinking it made more sense to vaccinate women – not that it is the best thing to do, of course.
            Apparently, though, there are differences in the way we process things which definitely affects how drugs work and I would think that would be true for vaccines as well – just like they have recently discovered that heart disease treatments that they always tested on men aren’t as effective on women.

          • rachaeldoss says:

            I know what you mean, but I’m sure that since it is the strains that cause Cervical cancer, and men don’t have cervixes, they were thinking it made more sense to vaccinate women – not that it is the best thing to do, of course.
            Apparently, though, there are differences in the way we process things which definitely affects how drugs work and I would think that would be true for vaccines as well – just like they have recently discovered that heart disease treatments that they always tested on men aren’t as effective on women.

        • tianadargent says:

          I dunno, it just seems strange because it’s not vaccine for cervical cancer, it’s a vaccine for something both men and women get.
          I just always wonder what it is that makes something unsafe for one gender because there really aren’t that many biological differences.

      • rachaeldoss says:

        That’s what I meant – perhaps it is specially formulated for women, as we are the ones with cervixes that would be affected by the HPV strains. Just like women also suffer hairloss, but are not able to take propecia because it is not safe for us.

    • tianadargent says:

      No it’s against certain forms of HPV not against cervical cancer. Some of those forms of HPV may lead to cervical cancer though.

  4. rachaeldoss says:

    Maybe it’s like propecia, which is not safe for women to even touch…I mean, perhaps they formulated the vaccine especially for women since – as I understand it – it is formulated to vaccinate against only the viruses that can cause cervical cancer, and not HPV in general.
    Although one would hope that they are working on vaccines for everyone.

  5. lola_70 says:

    They’re giving it to girls in public schools & there hasn’t even been 20 years of studies done with on it…
    Would you have it given to your daughter?
    Remember, pharma companies are not out there to help people. There out to make CASH!!

  6. lola_70 says:

    They’re giving it to girls in public schools & there hasn’t even been 20 years of studies done with on it…
    Would you have it given to your daughter?
    Remember, pharma companies are not out there to help people. There out to make CASH!!

  7. You’re right- the vaccine is expensive and not all women can afford it, yet the vaccine is not given to men, who can also contract and transmit HPV.
    Not to mention, HPV is a virus and there are many different strands of it. How effective is the vaccine?

  8. You’re right- the vaccine is expensive and not all women can afford it, yet the vaccine is not given to men, who can also contract and transmit HPV.
    Not to mention, HPV is a virus and there are many different strands of it. How effective is the vaccine?

  9. The reason it is not marketed to men and Women over the age of 25 are not allowed to get it is because all of the studies done by the FDA were done on women between the ages of 18 and 25. Since there is no data for men or women over 25 because no clinical studies were performed the drug legally cannot be given to men or women over the age of 25. Thats why it is not marketed to them.

  10. I suppose it’s the lack of a cervix that voids the vaccine for men. However, men can get breast cancer… so it seems possible that they could contract a form of cancer from HPV that is comparable to cervical cancer.
    I, personally, like LONG term studies on drugs before I jump on board.

    • tianadargent says:

      I agree on the long term studies. The thing is just that it don’t target cervical cancer, it only targets HPV….
      It’s like saying if men carried AIDS but didn’t die from it, but women could die from it, would you only treat the women?

  11. redaryl says:

    I have huge problems with this and I’m not going to write a missive in your journal about it (I’m sure you’ve read about it). The whole thing just really irks me. In some states (Texas I think) they were forcing people to vaccinate their 12 year old daughters. WTF

    • tianadargent says:

      I really don’t know much about what’s going on in the States with this. Feel free to write a missive!

      • redaryl says:

        ok, missive.
        It isn’t safe for women. 11 people have died in the US so far after getting this vaccine, along with numerous other side effects: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/oct/07100507.html
        My main issue with this is what you mentioned above, it doesn’t keep someone from getting cervical cancer. It keeps someone from contracting an std that might possibly cause a form of cervical cancer.
        In the US, they are using it on young girls who are not yet sexually active to supposedly keep them from contracting it. In some states they are considering requiring it. Why aren’t these kids instead taught about safe sex and using condoms? It seems the law makers in some of the conservative states in this country would rather inject their daughters with questionable chemicals than explain what condoms are for.
        Honestly, if something is not safe for one sex, why would you inject it into another sex? That makes absolutely no sense to me.
        I also think the whole pharmaceutical industry is more interested in making money than saving lives.

        • tianadargent says:

          Wow I had no idea people had died from it! I’m so leery about it because of many of the things you mention and it just seems like a huge cash grab aimed at people who are afraid of sex-ed.
          I had never even heard of HPV until this vaccine came out.

          • rachaeldoss says:

            Sadly, before the vaccine, most people didn’t know about it until they were told they have it. That’s what happened to me. After several suspicious pap smears, they tested me and found out I had HPV. I had NEVER heard of it ouside of genital warts/cold sores. And I don’t have either of those. So I definitely have the kind that affects the cervix only and can cause cancer.

            • I don’t remember the stats off hand but there is a large percentage of women who come in contact with HPV at some point in their life. I think it is one of the most common sexually transmitted viruses. Just like you, most people don’t know about it until they have been diagnosed.

          • Most people don’t realize that there are risks with all vaccines. The more people that get any vaccination, the more people you will hear about having adverse reactions. It is usually a very small percentage of the population but people who don’t have reactions isn’t newsworthy so you only hear about the bad cases and it sounds worse than it is.
            I had an adverse reaction to a Hep A/B vaccination (Twinrix). The problem is that vaccines cause an immune response in your body (which they are designed to do). Your body creates antibodies for the “dead virus” or whatever you are being inoculated against so that if you come in contact with the real thing, your immune system will know how to deal with it ASAP and kill the virus before it has a chance to take hold. Problems can arise since your body randomly generates many different types of cells trying to combat the virus. Sometimes it can make a mistake. Vaccines are not 100% effective because not everyone’s bodies generate the proper defense for the real virus. A small percentage of people generate antibodies that actually can attack their own body, which can develop into neurological disorders like MS. Other people have reactions to the other chemicals that are part of the vaccine.
            So while vaccines are generally safe, some people will have problems, and some people will die. There is nothing the pharma companies can do about that, it is people’s immune systems that make the mistakes.

        • rachaeldoss says:

          It seems the law makers in some of the conservative states in this country would rather inject their daughters with questionable chemicals than explain what condoms are for.
          I agree with this totally. The whole thing about it being a requirement is absurd and cowardly. You know what it won’t stop? Your daughter from getting pregnant or AIDS or any of the host of other STDs. So those people are fooling themselves if they’re thinking it is the problem solver!

  12. Anonymous says:

    So one day there are suddenly all sorts of scary stories about HPV coinciding with the announcement of this great vaccine followed by scaring the crap out of parents and making them feel like they’re sentencing their girl children to death if they don’t get the vaccine. School boards buy it up and offer it free for a limited time only. No, they can’t discuss the side effects because the thing hasn’t been tested really. The whole thing stinks. Ever notice how many things we need to be vaccinated against these days? Things that used to be a normal part of childhood? Anyone with a baby should check VERY carefully into all the vaccine information out there before making an informed decision about whether or not to vaccinate their infants. Start with: http://www.vran.org (XUP)


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